"marshknute" (marshknute)
06/26/2018 at 12:36 • Filed to: None
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"marshknute" (marshknute)
06/26/2018 at 12:36 • Filed to: None | 0
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My Mom wants to replace her ES300h with a small hybrid SUV. Lexus makes two hybrid SUVs, but their infotainment system is literally the worst thing invented by humans since the bagpipes, so she’s never buying another Lexus. Unfortunately, all other manufacturers are switching to plug-in hybrids, which is a deal-breaker because: A) she is incapable of remembering how to plug in an electronic device, and B) our garage is full of plants, tools, lumber, Corinthian columns, bodies, etc.
Only Lexus still makes “normal” hybrid SUVs with the NX300h and RX450h. So what happens if she buys a plug-in hybrid (say a Volvo XC60 hybrid) and just never plugs it in? Will it behave just like a Lexus hybrid by using the engine and regenerative braking to recharge the battery? Or will it get the same abysmal fuel economy of a regular XC60?
Spanfeller is a twat
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 12:40 |
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As far as I know, PHEVs can work solely on gasoline, like the Chevy Volt did, and the computer will do all the tricky maths for you
! However, if your mother lives in a dense city, it’d be recommendable
that she plugs the vehicle, at least at night, because when you don’t even need to turn on the engine is where the real savings are.
Tekamul
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 12:48 |
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Yes, it will work just like a regular hybrid. The difference is you’re paying for more battery than you’ll ever use, and a charger you never use.
E90M3
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 12:49 |
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but their infotainment system is literally the worst thing invented by humans since the bagpipes
Completely agree, I don’t know why iDrive got shit on so much, it’s actually one of the better ones. Hell, Hyundai’s is miles better than Lexus’.
LOREM IPSUM
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 12:59 |
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I'd think buying a presumably less expensive non electric version altogether would make more sense.
BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:01 |
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I find something odd about willing to shell out the money for a mid-luxury CUV but needing a hybrid...
interstate366, now In The Industry
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:02 |
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I have no opinion, but you mentioned bagpipes...
Nibby
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:03 |
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When your plugin power is depleted the car will act as a hybrid car. Sometimes you can regenerate enough to recharge it for an additional mile or 2 of EV only. My sister had a 2014 Prius plugin and lives in Queens so she never charged it.
Ford Fusion Energi works the same way. You don’t *need* to keep it plugged in.
Officer Jim Lahey is not a real cop
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:06 |
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Wll work like a regular hybrid, but you can park in those sweet sweet green spaces at the mall.
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marshknute
> BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind
06/26/2018 at 13:13 |
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We’re consolidating an ES300h and a Sequoia into one car. Thus hybrid CUV.
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marshknute
> LOREM IPSUM
06/26/2018 at 13:17 |
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That’s what I told her. She sort of wants a hybrid for the smug factor, but is mostly interested in range . She got 500+ miles on a tank in her old Prius, and now gets 600+ in her ES300h. So she’d be fine with a hybrid SUV that only gets 20mpg, so long as it has HUGE fuel tank.
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LOREM IPSUM
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:19 |
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Have her test-drive a Trackhawk. Maybe she’ll forget all about hybrids and range, with a little luck.
asenna
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:21 |
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Just an FYI the XC60 hybrid gets worse gas mileage than the T5 version. Which costs about 6k less
Textured Soy Protein
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:23 |
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You can drive a plug-in like a regular hybrid and it will perform like a regular hybrid. Plugging it in makes sure the battery is topped up so you can drive in pure electric mode for a while before falling back on gas when either A) the battery charge drops below a level that can power pure electric mode or B) more acceleration is requested than pure electric mode can provide.
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asenna
> asenna
06/26/2018 at 13:29 |
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my mistake I had been looking at the xc60 also and the numbers they have on the build a car site do not account for the electric assist, the hybrid gets better mileage combined particularly if you drive short distances.
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asenna
> asenna
06/26/2018 at 13:30 |
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Also its $11,400 difference
m-b-w loves his SUBAROO
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 13:30 |
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Has she looked at the Highlander Hybrid? In terms of quality, its almost up to par with Lexus in my opinion, with a much less awful infotainment system.
BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 14:09 |
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You’ve pretty much gotten an answer already, but it seems like it depends on the hybrid, and the driving cycle it is used for.
A mild hybrid with just a few KW of battery capacity is relatively easily charged up, and discharged automatically by the on-board electronics and generator/motor.
A plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, a Chevy Volt or something similarly extensive, with much bigger batteries, multiple motor/generator units, and can run significantly in electric-only mode, might not fully recharge itself in hybrid-drive mode, unless being driven significant distances at highway speeds. Otherwise, it will likely stay in hybrid drive mode almost all the time, with a partially-charged battery pack, and not utilize the electric-only mode as much, without topping up the battery charge through being plugged in overnight.
The more electric-only capability, the bigger the battery pack has to be to supply that. The bigger the battery pack is, the longer it takes to recharge it while also powering and propelling the car by the combustion engine’s output... or it has to be bypassed by plugging in and charging the battery directly while parked.
Most mild to moderate parallel hybrids or even through-the-road hybrids don’t have on-board plug-in chargers, and basically use regenerative braking, and a bit of power-take-off at high-speed cruise to charge a smaller battery pack, and use that battery power to supplement the engine in stop-and-go traffic or under high torque demand. They usually work automatically, and are what you referred to as “Normal” hybrids.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 21:20 |
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I haven’t driven a xc60, but i did stay in a holiday inn 2 months ago and drive a volt.
Buying a PHEV and not plugging it in, will drive just the same, but you’ll be lugging around 500lbs of batteries with reduced fuel range and spending (after tax credit ) another $ 3k.
You’ll never “fully recharge” the battery just by driving around . Y ou might get a mile or 2 here or there on big hills, but I don’t believe the gas motor will keep running to recharge.
also by vovlos attemp to make it sporty an d luxuious it seems to get the same miliage as a regular xc60
https://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/new-models/xc60/specs#/specscompare
oldmxer
> marshknute
06/26/2018 at 21:39 |
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